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TMT 061: Exodus 22:17 – 22:19

July 25, 2014 By 2 Comments

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By Creator:Georges Merle ([1], 2011-06-28) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

By Creator:Georges Merle ([1], 2011-06-28) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons “L’Envoûteuse” (The Sorceress)

In this podcast I do a little review of the last class, and then we pick up at Exodus Ch. 22 verse 17.  We cover three profound verses Ex. 22: 17, 18, and 19.  While they may seem antiquated, cruel, or perhaps just strange; I think after listening to this class they will hold new meaning which is actually applicable to today.  Below are the verses:

Exodus 22 (JPS 1917)

17Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live.

18Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

19He that sacrificeth unto the gods, save unto the LORD only, shall be utterly destroyed.

Also,  I would love to hear from you if you have any comments regarding the tangential discussions during class.  No offense was ever intended, so I apologize if there is any lashon hara in the class.  I try to keep it open, honest, and dispassionate when a faith outside of Judaism is referenced.  I truly wish I had  expert believers from other faiths on call for questions during class.

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  1. David Coyle thinks
    March 27, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    Hi Nahum, I know I am a bit behind on your request during this episode, but I’m still catching up and so just came across this. On the discussion of Jesus in Christian theology, I think you were closer to the mark than your students. No sect of mainstream Christianity thinks that Jesus was less than God or that we have multiple gods. That would be Arianism, which is a heresy (and internally contradictory). I think, getting to the point you were on there, is that Christians aren’t attempting to elevate a man to be God (in our theology at least) or use a man to override God’s will and perform magic. And to your earlier distinction related to your smoke experience, a Christian invoking Christ in prayer would (I would argue) be closer to doing what we think God wants, while relying on God to do whatever it is, rather than invoking Christ as an “overrider” of God’s will.

    To elaborate a bit, or if you are looking for a quick resource if it comes up again, I would recommend perhaps the Nicene creed as a relatively approachable of the basics of Christianity. Additionally, I have a background in apologetics and would be happy to help you with any research you might need a hand on or questions that arise about what Christians believe. I’d be able to run that down with citations for you as well of course. Please don’t hesitate to ask if I can help in any way.

    I also found the student who said Jesus was not a Jew to be interesting. Certainly all (or at least all mainstream) Christians think Jesus was a Jew. I honestly hadn’t thought of or heard the “no father so not a Jew” argument before so I’m not sure the full reasoning. Sufficed to say, we would argue he (as you did) had a Jewish mother, was adopted by a Jewish father, was circumcised, spoke in synagogue, observed the sabbath and other requirements of the law, and identified as an Israelite in every instance. Which I think is pretty sufficient to be within the Jewish identity. I definitely agree with your point that he was here “not to overturn” or change an iota of the law, which would seem relevant to the point you were making about magic as well.

    Finally, I’d like to take a moment to thank you for this podcast. It really has been great and a good model for analysis. If I can ask, is this style of analysis common in Jewish synagogues? It really is great to hear. Now if you could just move to the New Testament when you are done. 😉 I kid of course. But again, thank you for the great podcast.

    Dave

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    • Nahum Roman Footnick thinks
      March 28, 2019 at 4:34 pm

      Ha! (laughing at your New Testament statement) Thanks so much. Yes, I’d love your help. These questions usually come up in class, or when I’m speaking with a Christian person who has lost their faith (due to their perceived problems with Jesus and/or the NT.) If you are ever in Houston on a Sunday, please come to the class and contribute your thoughts. You can email me (footnick@gmail.com) to let me know if you’re in town. Unfortunately, many Jews know very little of other religions (or even Torah based Judaism.) That incompetence makes a fertile field for conjecture, confabulation, and other cognitive biases. I’m grateful to have the opportunity to help enhance people’s understanding and maybe provide some clarity on some of these issues – but my dream is to have a panel of other faiths (people like yourself) provide these answers.
      Thanks again for your comments and kind words. Keep listening, share with friends, and may God bless you and yours!

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